Just having replied to another thread on the L405, I started thinking about something.

I feel the time is right for full electric cars to really start coming onto the market. Tesla has proven that it can be done and that they can also be very good (best safety ratings ever) and very good looking.

How would you all feel about a full electric L405 ??? If it would become available next year or so and lets say the range is about 400 miles max, with recharge time, for say 100 miles, of about 20 to 30 minutes.

Would that be an option for you ?? Would you go out and buy it, provided you were in the market for a new one.

Lets assume performance levels up to 5.0 SC.

I most definitely would. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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the only good reason to have an electric car is to diminish the influence of the middle eastern oil producers

To be honest (I work in the O&G industry) I wonder if electric cars will even make a dent in the "hunger" for O&G, considering the enormous amount of energy required. So although the change to electric cars, solar/wind/wave energy etc. etc. will reduce the reliance on fossil fuels, I will be well past retirement before that has an impact on the O&G industry. Besides, I would swap over to wind and wave farm installation as soon as that'd happen earlier anyway (been in offshore construction work for over 25 years now)  MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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The. fFRR is extremely capable off road, but looking at all the postings on " my range Rover ", and the hours spent with clay-bars ( w hat the hell is that? ), I feel that most of them, like my wife, would get upset with the paintwork being damaged, if actually USED off road. So I tend to use the Defender, plus Ifor Williams, for work in the forest , tree-felling etc.the intended usage for the FFRR is more green laning and going further afield touring or so ,usually Tarmac and a couple of hours driving in luxury.( Love that air on 22C when now it's hitting 39-40c daily )
So, I feel that the range could be a factor, limiting my choice . ( until charging points were at all hotels restaurants etc ( and no queues waiting to use them!)
For a fast short adrenaline boost a sport-car or something like Kurt keeps lugging around on that trailer of his, yes, get one tomorrow, but not for a bigger on offload vehicle. Range Rover Vogue TD6 2002
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TBH the only way i see an FF being electric in the next 10years so in the 405 lifetime of course, but needs to be an extended range vehicle.

So it has something like a 1.0litre PSA HDi unit up front powering a genset. a 40litre fuel tank for it but then a decent amount of battery packs in the middle where the big fuel tank could be and along the line of the main prop, but then a decent motor at each corner. say a mid range 100-130hp electric motor on each wheel. That 520hp and the torque at about 100-130nm will certainly move it along quite quickly indeed.
Yes i know the likes of tesla are pushing out far more powerful motors but that tend to drive an entire axle each. Having a motor on each wheel effectively being the hub allows for better power regeneration and for an LR, improved offroad ability as they can be sealed without a lot of work and fitted with heat dissipaters for hot environments. if the battery pack alone could provide 150-200mile range then the little HDi unit would be able to take up the grunt work and dont forget on the motorway or at cruise an eco mode can automatically kick in to just use the 2 rear motors and freewheel the fronts

JLR being who they are their method will invaribly be the more tried and tested method of just having an electric motor that bolts inline with the engine and does a prius style 10-30miles on battery alone and likely wont have a plugin to start with. FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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I think with 4WD the way to go is hub motors, like Protean Electric. I think that makes much more sense than the Tesla route although they seem to have almost everything right in any other sense.

Hub motors need less space, allow for different suspension setup (so you can create more ground clearance, like the Hummer does with their top drive shaft design etc.

With space freed up by eliminating the engine and drive train you have plenty of space for the controller and batteries to create a very large battery pack (= range).

The question was full electric, not hybrid, not even range extenders (the L405 hybrid is already on the way anyway). And assuming that simple 220 V can generate the charging time as per the original posts so hotels, restaurant can create easy charging points by putting out simple 220V sockets with watertight sockets (like campgrounds). MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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I would love to drive a fully electric L405.

BUT

Range is an issue so confidence in charging point availability is a must.
Off-road capability should be better with hub motors.
Weight is a worry - the agility of the L405 compared to the L322 is due in the main to lower weight. Adding enough battery capacity to remove range-angst might undo that.
Accommodation, both luggage and people must not be compromised so it needs to be able to keep a cabin at 18 degrees even though outside is 34 (I wish in the UK) for the whole journey.
Purchase cost. I had to swallow hard with a £90k vehicle. Most EV/Hybrids are at a further premium. 2019 D5 HSE Lux SDV6 Indus
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Thanks Nick, I agree with all your remarks, they need to be on par with fossil fuel and hybrids on all aspects, including price. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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I am sure with the Renault twizzy you don't own the batteries, you hire them for £X a month.
I think that is the way to go as its bad enough buying a 2nd hand FFRR and having to put a new Bosch Silver in it, could you imagine what it would cost to replace all the batteries that would be needed for a fattie!!
It will happen one day, I suppose it's progress... Previously..
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you are correct Archie, with most electric cars now you buy the car and rent the battery's..this works well cos they guarantee the power output of them and replace when necessary and if you run out of juice on the road they will come and give you a jump start [literally].. ... - .- -.




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