Hi folks,
...I need your thoughts on this one...

I have a 4.4TDV8 (FFRR) vogue 2011. Only had it as the second owner about a month. It has 77k on the clock. Did a nice 145 mile round trip no problem on Saturday. Left the car on Sunday on the drive, then come Monday start my normal 18 mile journey to work...
...I get about a mile down the road, join the duel-carriageway and sit behind a truck doing about 45 mph. When it becomes free for me to do so, I pull out to overtake. I hit about 60mph and no throttle response... Big red triangle and reduced power illuminated in the warning centre???
I pull in, turn everything off, wait a minute or two and make the decision to turn it back on and limp home. Took wife's car to work. Came back home. Got back into RR turned on to write down/take pick of warning and nothing! Took it for a run... Still nothing, no warnings, everything running as normal?! Only exception after turning engine off, low battery indicated and said turn engine on....
...can anyone help? I had the battery checked, all cells are in "good" condition and fully functional. The power was slightly down from full charge though?
Thanks in advance of any pointers ideas what's going on.

...well, plenty of onlookers I see but no response. Guess that's just being a newbee here?

So, seems the old girl has not been quite as well looked after as the logbook suggested. Had a man with a plug in unit read the problems out. There were to many to list! Most seemed to be minor but more problematic is the left bank egr is sticky, and I might have problems with pipes and therefore turbos! Just to add to the problem my DPF is full too... I can't raise the rpm enough to burn clean as its stuck in power reduction mode. Basically my first month of FFRR ownership has become a very real nightmare.

Not sure this time I'm going to have the cash to bail myself out of this mess. Let's hope there is better news from the garage after a full inspection, but I'm guessing the car will be of the road for some time as jobs are done as and when I can afford them.

Lesson to be learned..... Unless you have VERY deep pockets, don't be tempted by a FFRR without a really well and fully documented service history. Have it fully checked first and get the car "read" so you can see all faults! If the data bank is empty or has been deleted, be very suspicious as a fault has probably been hidden! Oh well, I was warned...!!!

On the plus side that is a nice looking FFRR.

New cars can be such an unknown, and you never know how well they have been cared for in a previous life.

Not heard of many problems with the 4.4 which aren't smoking/turbo drain related or electrical/battery drain issues. Not many failed alternators or such like as yet, but the engine is just getting to the age where potential problems tend to show themselves, like the 3.6 did, alternators and turbo pipes being the main things which went at about 4 years and seemed to be where these things started to go wrong.......

if your EGR has stuck open then it needs sorting asap, as I know on the 3.6 this can lead to turbo problems. split pipes will not necessarily immediately kill the turbos neither will a stuck EGR and if you have caught it in time then replacing the hoses and EGR may be sufficient to clear the problem, not sure whether you should do both EGRs on this engine while it is apart, that would be the thing to do on the 3.6, and once they are fixed then a 20min run at high speed should clear the DPF.

These cars are very sensitive to battery voltages, check to see if yours has had the swap over to AGM battery, and update to the battery management software, which allows it to run slightly longer before it shuts stuff down and bongs up the low battery alert. Running the TV and radio with the engine off for any amount of time will give the message.  There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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Who did you buy from (private or otherwise)?

Thanks northernmonkeyjones and pld118,
It was a dealer buy, and this evening he has offered help to get it back on the road. Obviously we need to wait and see what the investigation at the garage turns out... And then I guess we go from there.

Just so frustrating as it is my main car and more importantly to me, I've wanted an FFRR forever! Lol

I'm hoping that, as you have pointed out, it is in fact a few of the minor issues that have caused the problems and therefore will be the lesser repairs and expenses I will need to deal with. When I know, I'll post the outcome(s); and, if someone can learn from mistakes I've made, I hope it helps likeminded new FFRR owners like myself

If it's from a dealer you have some rights, as well as any warranty they have to give as a matter of course, so he should be pretty much sorting it for you full stop. And reputable dealer worth his salt would not want the bad press and get it back on the road for you asap.

When it's back on the road and everything is working it will be totally worth it! There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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You could ideally do with finding someone who can read the fault codes off the car

Kind of hard to diagnose unless you can recreate the issue

A couple of leads here but as already said, the 4.4's haven't had that many problems yet.....

Well it seems the first issue is confirmed to be a full and blocked DPF filter which if they can't unblock will require a replacement.
Had a call from the dealer who sold me the car and he was of course sorry to hear of the issues and is offering to help sort it out... I hope this follows through,and seems very genuine at this time.
Does anyone have any idea of the cost of a DPF replacement filter fo a FFRR? I can't find any costs on the net. Only for other Marques (VW, FIAT, VAUXHALL etc). As the car is 4 years old I'm also asking for the air intake pipes to be replaced with new silicon units as reading here, they start to fail at about this age. I certainly don't want to find I need to replace turbos to! Lol...
I'll keep updating this feed with progress until I get the rangie back... It may be useful to others, old or new to the forum, as on reading here, there are not many 4.4 MY11 FFRR's that have had issues yet. I hope this helps...

Mine did the same thing yesterday. I was just by a petrol station so pulled in to stop for about ten minutes, it was then ok again. I've done about 200 miles since and everything seems fine - do you think I still need it checking?
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MartSim73 wrote:

Well it seems the first issue is confirmed to be a full and blocked DPF filter which if they can't unblock will require a replacement.
Had a call from the dealer who sold me the car and he was of course sorry to hear of the issues and is offering to help sort it out... I hope this follows through,and seems very genuine at this time.
Does anyone have any idea of the cost of a DPF replacement filter fo a FFRR? I can't find any costs on the net. Only for other Marques (VW, FIAT, VAUXHALL etc). As the car is 4 years old I'm also asking for the air intake pipes to be replaced with new silicon units as reading here, they start to fail at about this age. I certainly don't want to find I need to replace turbos to! Lol...
I'll keep updating this feed with progress until I get the rangie back... It may be useful to others, old or new to the forum, as on reading here, there are not many 4.4 MY11 FFRR's that have had issues yet. I hope this helps...

I think you are getting a tad confused with problems relating to the 3.6 & the 4.4TDV8’s sir... Changing to silicone hoses relates to the 3.6! And the sticking EGR issues also refers to the 3.6! I only mean for this to inform future readers factually sir
The large amount of fault codes don’t necessarily mean big problems sir, mearly point to battery voltage issues during the starting cycles.

Now, to your troubles! I would like to suggest your FIRST job must really be changing the battery! Yours will now be 4yrs old and sounds like its failing and FF’s REALLY DONT like failing batteries sir! Secondly, the DPF will cost a couple of thousand if it needs replacing Who has your car at present? Forgive me but do they know RR’s? Its important with a 4.4 to have a good guy on it who knows his stuff! The DPF can be forced to regen but needs to be done by a trained tech! Don’t be led down the road of replacing rather than regen’ing if thats appropriate in your case? It also needs looking into why the DPF is full? Is there an underlying issue other than the EGR? And how has that issue been diagnosed?

Yours does not sound like a straight forward group of “usual issues” so move forward with caution would be my advice sir...

Good luck

MartSim73 wrote:

... Had a call from the dealer who sold me the car and he was of course sorry to hear of the issues and is offering to help sort it out... I hope this follows through,and seems very genuine at this time. Does anyone have any idea of the cost of...

@MartSim,

Craig offers sound advice when advocating that you make sure anyone doing repair or remedial work knows the Range Rover well, has the ability and appetite to properly repair things and doesn't cut corners. Otherwise, an expensive initial purchase could become an even more expensive and long term headache. If you are satisfied the dealer will properly make good, then great. Regardless, I would make sure that's all in writing, if not already. If you have doubts, you could request a refund.

This is English law and is based upon personal experience so hopefully will assist you if things complicate

Sale of Goods Act 1979:
It is helpful to be aware of Sections 14 and 48 of the Sale of Goods Act 1979. The act relates to the fact the consumer has a right to expect quality, fitness for all the purposes supplied, freedom from minor defects and a reasonable expectation for repairs to have been undertaken within a reasonable time without causing significant inconvenience. If these things are not the case with your purchase you can assert non conformity to the contract of sale within the period of six months from the date of purchase.

References to ‘caveat emptor’, meaning ‘let the buyer beware’:
If you buy a car from a *private seller* 'let the buyer beware'. You have fewer legal rights, so make sure you inspect the car and know what you are buying. You will only be able to claim against the previous owner if he/she lied, for example about its age or mileage. You will not be able to claim where there are faults with the car.

However, buying from a motor trader (or dealer) is a different matter and you have greater rights -

'Wear and tear':
A seller is not responsible for fair wear and tear, so you cannot claim goods are unsatisfactory just because they've become a bit worn over time. For goods to be unsatisfactory they need to be faulty when you bought them, even if you didn't discover the fault until later. If the goods don't last as long as they should, this suggests that they were faulty from the beginning.

** If a defect is detected within 6 months, it is presumed that the defect existed at the time of sale or delivery, unless the seller can prove otherwise. **

Whilst better to do so, *** you do not have to examine items before buying them. This means that if you haven't spotted something wrong before buying an item, you can still claim it is not of satisfactory quality. This applies even if you would have spotted the defect if you had examined it closely ***. However, if you don't complain quickly, you may have to accept a repair, replacement or partial refund, rather than a full refund.

More information on the S of G.A can be found on this link:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/

This UK Citizens Advice Bureau link is also another helpful source of information on UK Consumer Law:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/cons...ucts_e.htm

Martsim73 - I have just owned my 2011 TDV8 4.4 for the same time as you, and just had the same problem as you on the first long journey in the car. However, it seems to have cleared itself now, and no warning lights on the dash. I aim to buy the IID code reader, and see if any old codes exist.

pld118 - The Consumer Rights Act 2015 does alter some aspects of the Sale of Goods Act as from 01 October 2015. Especially to do with a 30 day right of rejection clause and, after that period, a single opportunity by the supplier to repair or rectify the problem.

Stuart,

On 12.10.2015, the OP posted:

MartSim73 wrote:

Hi folks,
... I have a 4.4TDV8 (FFRR) vogue 2011... only had it... about a month...

The law has just changed... BUT....the Consumer Rights Act came into force on 1 Oct 2015.

The SOGA 1979 still applies to goods bought BEFORE 1 October 2015 and the OP makes clear that the purchase of the RR occured before 1 October.

This link should hopefully simplify things for those with issues regarding goods and services supplied both before and after 1 Octobr 2015 (Legislation Gov UK hasn't been fully updated at the time of writing and it can be a heavy read):
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/...s-exchange

Hi all,

...well, firstly I want to thank you all for the advice and guidance on my 4.4 TDV8 issues (...a big Thank you to Cam-Tech-Craig, pld118 & Stuart).
I have had news from the independent LandRover garage... They have managed to clear the blockage in the DPF and only had to replace a few clips when reattaching the unit along with a sensor which had needed replacing. It is being serviced and is running fine and without any faults showing anymore. The garage are contacting the dealer, but it looks like it was the DPF that was causing the problems. They have checked the EGR and it is in good nick.
I'm sorry that my inexperience here has been my stumbling block with these fantastic machines and thank you Cam-Tech-Craig for correcting my errors
Stuart please don't be put off, you like me are probably smiling from ear to ear every time we step into the FFRR I panicked when a friend read the errors through his device and more so when they said those magic words... DPF failure, Turbo or EGR failure. Reading on here the high costs involved with those problems I just "panicked". Apparently this is getting to be a very common problem. Roystonh you did the right thing... Long constant run helps the DPF regenerate. I did not do this as my journeys have been pretty short and in stop start traffic that's what probably added to the blockage and it ended up as it did. I'm just thankful they (the independent LandRover garage) cleared and sorted it. The service I have asked for is really for my own piece of mind as winter is coming along.

I would though, like to ask your advice about a new battery. I know this is an also known weak spot of the car, so, which 'new' replacement battery is best? I'd appreciate this as I'd like to get a new one stuck in while I'm sorting things out. You are all a bunch of very sound, welcoming and knowledgeable fellows! Thank you for taking your time out to respond to my needs. One day I hope I can proffer you all a helping hand too. Thank you.

Oh and I've wanted a FFRR for so long I would never give it back.... I will sort it out and I hope to have these wheels run me about on adventures close and far for a long time to come