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oilman Site Supporter Member Since: 19 Mar 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 343 ![]() ![]() |
The Advantages of Synthetic Oils over Mineral oils
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stan Site Moderator Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: a moderate moderated moderator moderating moderately in moderation Posts: 35545 ![]() ![]() |
thanks for the info Tim.. |
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Dixy Member Since: 09 Apr 2009 Location: Somerset Posts: 1104 ![]() ![]() |
If mineral oil is derived from crude oil, where does synthetic come from. letters not necessarily in the right order |
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oilman Site Supporter Member Since: 19 Mar 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 343 ![]() ![]() |
All oils are comprised of basestocks and additives. Basestocks make up the majority of the finished product and represent between 75-95%. Not all basestocks are derived from petroleum, in fact the better quality ones are synthetics made in laboratories by chemists specifically designed for the application for which they are intended. Basestocks are classified in 5 Groups as follows: Group I These are derived from petroleum and are the least refined. These are used in a small amount of automotive oils where the applications are not demanding. Group II These are derived from petroleum and are mainly used in mineral automotive oils. Their performance is acceptable with regards to wear, thermal stability and oxidation stability but not so good at lower temperatures. Group III These are derived from petroleum but are the most refined of the mineral oil basestocks. They are not chemically engineered like synthetics but offer the highest level of performance of all the petroleum basestocks. They are also known as “hydrocracked” or “molecularly modified” basestocks. They are usually labelled/marketed as synthetic or semi-synthetic oils and make up a very high percentage of the oils retailed today. Group IV These are polyalphaolefins known as PAO and are chemically manufactured rather than being dug out of the ground. These basestocks have excellent stability in both hot and cold temperatures and give superior protection due to their uniform molecules. Group V These special basestocks are also chemically engineered but are not PAO. The main types used in automotive oils are diesters and polyolesters. Like the group IV basestocks they have uniform molecules and give superior performance and protection over petroleum basestocks. These special stocks are used in all aviation engines due to their stability and durability. Esters are also polar (electro statically attracted to metal surfaces) which has great benefits. They are usually blended with Group IV stocks rather than being used exclusively. It is common practice for oil companies to blend different basestocks to achieve a certain specification, performance or cost. The blending of group IV and V produces lubricants with the best overall performance which cannot be matched by any of the petroleum basestock groups. Cheers Guy Use the code FULLCHAT and get 10% Club Discount oilman's website: www.opieoils.co.uk - register for news and offers www.opieoils.co.uk email: sales@opieoils.co.uk phone: 01209 202944 ![]() |
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oldcro Member Since: 17 Mar 2012 Location: Shetland Posts: 359 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks for the informative posts, much appreciated. |
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oilman Site Supporter Member Since: 19 Mar 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 343 ![]() ![]() |
I really don't think leaded fuel is still available here and the lead replacement additives that we have are made by the oil companies that we deal with, so there would be no issues there. There is also the grey area of the word synthetic (as in the group 3 oils mentioned above) where a mineral derived oil can be a 'synthetic'. As they are often used for the same applications as genuine PAO oils, it's likely that they contain the same additives. I think there may have been some issues with the earliest ester oils and lead, but that was a long time ago and nothing to worry about now.
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stan Site Moderator Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: a moderate moderated moderator moderating moderately in moderation Posts: 35545 ![]() ![]() |
wiki'fied.. |
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ebajema Member Since: 24 Mar 2011 Location: New Plymouth Posts: 4782 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Tim,
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RR2008HSE Member Since: 06 Jan 2013 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2932 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Absolutely right, Oilman. I only heard of problems with some synthetics being used in piston airplanes running on 100LL (100 octane "low lead" aviation gasoline). It shouldn't be a problem for those of us who stay on the ground. |
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oilman Site Supporter Member Since: 19 Mar 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 343 ![]() ![]() |
Hi Eugene This explains a bit about how you get to a PAO oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyolefin And this is a good explanation of how to produce esters http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-synthetic-lubricants/ I'll be honest, I have no idea of how environmentally sound the process for producing PAOs and esters are, but as they are chemical industrial processes, I doubt they are the cleanest things in the world. I assume there would be byproducts during production that may or may not be useful in another application. Cheers Tim Use the code FULLCHAT and get 10% Club Discount oilman's website: www.opieoils.co.uk - register for news and offers www.opieoils.co.uk email: sales@opieoils.co.uk phone: 01209 202944 ![]() |
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ebajema Member Since: 24 Mar 2011 Location: New Plymouth Posts: 4782 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hi Tim,
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