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47p2

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Secondary Fuel Pump TD6

Was out this morning in the FFRR and back home, switched the engine off and half an hour later went to start it again, it just turned over. A quick look under the bonnet at the fuel pipes and they all looked full with no air bubbles, so off with the cover plate for the secondary fuel pump (just in front of the n/s rear wheel) and switched the ignition on, all was quiet so a soft tap with the spanner brought it back to life.

Will be fitting a new pump tonight, so may post some pictures

12th Jul 2012 9:19am

kingpleb

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Are you going to disect it? if somethings sticking how clean is the tank as if its just sucked some gunk thru that could have stuck in it and the tap has dislodged it or repaired a loose connection??

I know its mitigating the risk failure after a repair but root cause analysis is the best way to go to me FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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12th Jul 2012 10:12am

47p2

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I may dissect just to see what is inside. Most likely the pump is worn as it looks to be the original Pierburg BMW part

This is the original Pierburg BMW pump

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The pump is located just in front of the off side rear wheel under a plastic cover. There is no need to remove the complete cover as there is an inspection cover underneath held on with 2x10mm bolts

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Once the inspection cover is removed you have access to the pump which is held in place by two phillips head screws
One pipe to the front and one to the rear and an electrical connection to the front

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The hose clips are of the type that are a swine to work with so I removed them and fitted fuel line clamps size 12-13mm which made refitting a lot easier

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Once everything is reconnected start the engine and check for leaks

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Refit the cover, job completed

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12th Jul 2012 8:55pm

47p2

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Yes there will be fuel drips out of the lines. Yes the said fuel will run down your arm onto your clothing, the floor/driveway and make you smell like an HGV mechanic

12th Jul 2012 8:57pm

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kingpleb wrote:
Are you going to disect it? if somethings sticking how clean is the tank as if its just sucked some gunk thru that could have stuck in it and the tap has dislodged it or repaired a loose connection??

I know its mitigating the risk failure after a repair but root cause analysis is the best way to go to me

Clean it out using petrol... Works for cleaning diesel off/out of most things...

Craig

12th Jul 2012 10:08pm

47p2

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The pump is a common failure on the TD6, so at 124k miles I think it makes sense to replace

12th Jul 2012 10:50pm

JOKER

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Admit it you are just rebuilding that car from scratch

12th Jul 2012 10:51pm

47p2

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Feckin feels like that Mick

12th Jul 2012 10:55pm

JOKER

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That must be the only 124,000 mile new car that I know of

12th Jul 2012 11:03pm

47p2

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Once I get it the way I want it I'm going to sell it

12th Jul 2012 11:19pm

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nice little 'how to' there john, thanks for the info.. ... - .- -.

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13th Jul 2012 8:28am

Joe90

Member Since: 29 Apr 2010
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Ah, memories of the SU electric fuel pump on my 1965 mini traveller. Often amused my passengers when I had to jump out, hit under the rear of the car with a hammer, jump back in and start up and away

At least they have made it accessible on the FFRR .
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13th Jul 2012 8:38am

47p2

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kingpleb wrote:
Are you going to disect it? if somethings sticking how clean is the tank as if its just sucked some gunk thru that could have stuck in it and the tap has dislodged it or repaired a loose connection??

Dissected the pump tonight, there are two filters inside, one at each end, no dirt was present in any of the filters. I would hazard a guess that the pump had run its course and the lifespan just about expired but I will have a closer look tomorrow and will post up some pictures.

14th Jul 2012 8:49pm

47p2

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As suspected there really isn't much to see and certainly nothing that looks to cause the pump to stop. I can only guess that the electric motor has reached the end of its life.

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15th Jul 2012 11:41am

47p2

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I've now stripped the motor right down, the commutator is worn out and the brushes are very low so this is the problem with the pump when it stops working

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I have to presume the commutator should be level across its full width and if you look at the picture below the brushes have worn all the metal away and worn through to the insulation below

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I must admit I have never seen a commutator worn through before, the brushes must be made of a very hard material.

15th Jul 2012 1:38pm

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